Ask the Housewife: Round Two

by Jo-Lynne on November 9, 2009

in Health and Wellness,Q&A With The Housewife,whole foods

Y’all ready for Round Two?  This is kinda fun for me.  I hope it’s not boring you to tears.

Kristy has a lot of questions, enough for a whole post, as a matter of fact.  Here’s what she wants to know.

I was just wondering about your thoughts regarding sugar substitutes (not Splenda, Nutrasweet, etc.) such as Agave Nectar, Stevia, Honey, etc. Have you tried baking with any of them? Any good results??

Ah, sugar.  The one thing I REALLY want to do better about is sugar.  The more I read, the more I think sugar is the single most harmful thing we put in our bodies.  And this is an area where most experts tend to agree.

I try to explain to my kids that it compromises their immune systems and depletes their bodies of nutrients.  We still eat our fair share, trust me, but I’m trying to do better, and I’m trying to teach my kids why we’re doing this, in hopes that they will take some responsibility about what they eat.

I don’t do a lot of substituting.  (I’m the type to follow a recipe to the letter.)  So lately I’ve been looking for new recipes to add to my repertoire that use natural sugars, instead of trying to substitute in the recipes I already have.

The one substitution I do make is Sucanat for regular white sugar.  It has a richer taste without being quite as sweet, which I really like.  I have not tried Stevia or Agave Nectar.   I use honey when a recipe calls for it, but I haven’t tried subbing it out for sugar.  I also substitute whole wheat pastry flour for white flour in most quick breads and baking.

Keep in mind, though, that sugar is still sugar. Don’t think that you can just replace refined sugar with Sucanat or honey and it’s suddenly harmless.  It may have some nutrients that the refined sugars don’t, but it’s still sugar and it should still be eaten sparingly for optimum health.

Keep that in mind when reading labels too.  Just because a processed snack food contains “evaporated cane juice” rather than “high fructose corn syrup” doesn’t mean it’s okay to consume it with reckless abandon.  When I buy processed foods such as jelly or peanut butter, I look at both the type of sugar used, but also the overall sugar count on the label.  Sometimes an “all natural fruit spread” will have more sugar than its conventional counterpart.

Donielle has a post that neatly sums up the different kinds of sugars, if you’re interested.

Also, other than whole wheat flour, I’m kind of nervous to try any other kind such as Rye or Spelt, etc. Does it have a distinct flavor and when would I substitute that for regular flour?

The best thing to do is just try one and see how you like it.  I have been using spelt flour in some of my bread baking, and I can’t tell any difference.  I haven’t tried rye.  I substitute spelt for part of the wheat flour when I make sandwich bread.  And also, some recipes I’ve found online for quick breads or other baked goods will call for whole wheat pastry flour or spelt interchangeably, and I have used them both with no problem.

I’ve already begun my transition from margarine to butter and sugar to Stevia. How on earth do you keep from going overboard on certain things?? I started reading labels and just trying to be more aware of what I’m putting into my kids and I swear to you that I was ready to throw everything out and start fresh! I hope I didn’t make you sorry you opened this up for questions! LOL

I suppose did jump in with both feet; that’s just my way.  But I had been reading labels for years so it wasn’t a total 180 for me. As I said in Round One, I try to abide by the 80-20 rule.  I don’t want my kids to feel utterly deprived, and I’m trying not to be the weirdest mom on the block, although I think that’s a losing battle.  Heh.

My advice is to take it one thing at a time, and don’t be too hard on yourself. The fact of the matter is, it’s an uphill battle.  It feels like we are being sabotaged at every turn, by the food industry and how they market their prodcuts, by the ad campaigns that beckon us, by the supermarket retailers and the way they design the stores, by the school lunch program that not only serves crap for lunch but then offers a bunch of unnecessary junkie snacks to be purchased on the side… the list goes on.  I know it’s not intentionally malicious on the parts of those involved.  They are simply trying to make a buck or a trillion.  But whether they want to admit it or not, they are making it very hard for us to eat well.

My point is, do your best, but don’t be too hard on yourself because it really IS like swimming upstream.  While Pop-Tarts and Fruit Snacks and sacks of refined sugar and flour are being hurled at you from every angle.

Snort.  I crack myself up.

As an aside, What To Eat by Marion Nestle (the link is in the Amazon widget on my sidebar) is a fascinating and eye-opening guidebook to the ins and outs of the supermarket retail establishment.  It’s primarily about food and nutrition (although she’s a proponent of the low-fat lifestyle, so I’m not always on her page) but the parts I found particularly interesting were her descriptions of how the food industry, government organizations, politics, supermarkets, and marketing strategies all work together to influence what we buy.  If this interests you at all, I highly recommend checking What To Eat out of your local library, or you can purchase it at Amazon.com.

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I’ll tackle one more question because it goes right along with what we’ve been talking about.  Okay, what I’ve been talking about.  But I really do feel like I’m sitting around my dining room table with a bunch of you, chit-chatting and sipping lattes.  Now, wouldn’t that be FUN!?

Melanie says: My question is about substituting. If you substitute, say honey for sugar, as a sweetener, do you make a 1:1 substitute? Is there a rule of thumb? What about coconut oil for other oils in cooking or baking? 1:1? I want to start substituting more healthy sweeteners in when I bake, but I’m not sure how to do it right…

As I said above, I don’t do a whole lot of experimenting with my recipes. I’ve never tried to sub honey for sugar b/c honey is a liquid and sugar is, well, not, lol.  I’m afraid it wouldn’t turn out right.  I do substitute coconut oil 1:1 for vegetable oils in baking.  As I said, Sucanat can be subbed 1:1 for refined sugar.  I’ve never tried Stevia or Agave Nectar.  There seems to be some debate about those and I haven’t tackled that yet.

If you are reading, and you have some advice on making substitutions, feel free to chime in in the comments.



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1 Kay November 9, 2009 at 11:06 am

Have you posted your favorite bread recipe?

The one item I would like to find a substitute for is chips…we love chips!

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2 Jo-Lynne November 9, 2009 at 11:23 am

My husband is working on a video of my bread making. :-)

And I do buy organic tortilla chips from time to time. :-)

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3 Launa November 9, 2009 at 12:02 pm

Gosh, sometimes it does seem like an overwhelmingly uphill battle, huh?

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4 Caroline November 9, 2009 at 1:13 pm

I’ve really taken an interest in adapting recipes, thanks to your posts, and you’ve really opened my eyes to a lot of food issues (for lack of a better phrase!) and given me a lot to think about. I’ve also been substituting whole wheat flour for part of the white flour in all the recipes I’ve made lately and I’m looking forward to using the whole wheat pasty flour (now that I finally found some!) I’m tackling sugar substitutions next and am looking forward to experimenting with that (finally found Sucanat locally). I’m making your granola recipe for my daughter’s class for snack this week, as the last school snack I made – a harvest cake – was pretty health (IMHO of course!) and everyone really liked it.

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5 Carrie November 9, 2009 at 2:15 pm

I’ve been using agave syrup, honey, and turbinado in place of white sugar. I do find that honey makes things a little too wet and sticky when I try to substitute without directions. I’m like you, I need to follow directions to a T because when I don’t it doesn’t usually turn out!

@Kay
I don’t know if this will work for you, but for me kale chips satisfy my chip cravings, it won’t work for say, nachos or game day, but it works for in between. There is a post on my blog about it if you want to make them.

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6 June November 9, 2009 at 3:48 pm

You are making me feel bad about my Filet-O-Fish lunch with, um, Peanut Butter Cups for dessert. Is a peanut a fruit? Is tarter sauce?

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7 Cathryn November 9, 2009 at 4:04 pm

I’ve also been using agave nectar, honey, maple syrup and turbinado or demerara in place of white sugar. It’s helped to break the sugar habit. I like agave nectar in my morning coffee–stronger and works with my strong coffee. I live in the southwestern desert so I’m rather surprise to hear there’s some controversy about agave, especially since there’s anthropological studies that found that if the Native American nations (Navajo, Apache, Pueblos, and the others) returned to their natural diets, including using agave, their people would eliminate a lot of “white man” diseases. So I’ll be interested in seeing the controversy! :D

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8 Jo-Lynne November 9, 2009 at 4:26 pm

I heart June.

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9 Carrie November 9, 2009 at 5:35 pm

June just gave me the most awful craving for Reeses, it’s the most dangerous food in the world for me I think. And I could go get some. Right now. Must…stay…strong.

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10 Keri November 9, 2009 at 7:45 pm

Kay, we’ve been making our own “chips”. I thinly slice sweet potatoes or regular potatoes in the food processor. Then rinse them, dry them and toss them with olive oil. Put them in a single layer on a baking sheet and bake at 400 or so until they are crispy and golden brown. Salt to taste. They’re really quite good!

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11 Kay November 9, 2009 at 8:25 pm

Thx for the chip tips!

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12 Kristy November 9, 2009 at 10:06 pm

OMG, this is my new claim to fame!! I’ve never been mentioned in a blog before…that I know of anyway! Thank you so much for all your answers. I’ve been using Stevia for a little while and to answer the substitution question…DO NOT substitute Stevia on a 1:1 ratio for sugar as it’s about 300 times sweeter than sugar. If you google Stevia, it will give you all kinds of info on what to do with it. I also bought “The Stevia Cookbook” at my local health food store and it’s great. My daughter would chug Agave Nectar all day if I let her and I can’t say I blame her…it’s good! I tried my hand at making cookies with honey but let’s just say they didn’t work out. I was able to scrape it all together once it was cooked and make a “crumbly” type topping for yogurt from it. I’ve been googling Agave Nectar recipes, etc. and I’ve found wonderful sites from doing that. As for the chips, I tried to make homemade baked potato chips but I just burned them and tried to call them cajun flavor…didn’t work but I will perservere! I’ve been trying make from scratch alot of the stuff we used to buy like Poptarts, Toaster Strudels, and cookies. I also have been really pushing the fruit. One of our favorites is to put grapes in the freezer…they get a slushy consistancy. Hope this helps!

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13 Mrs Tass November 10, 2009 at 9:01 am

I have had success with using coconut oil in my baked goods. I wonder what your approach is to measuring it. Are you measuring (say 1/4 cup) solid or melted. Do you measure it melted in liquid form or before (in the old fashioned solid form in water method) I find sometimes that 1/4 solid is not the same as 1/4 melted (I am sure air is the issue here).

AND BTW my face is doing so much better since using my EVCO on my face as a moisturizer (2 months now). Either its that I am slathing it on or that I am eating it and getting some healthy fats into me know~! My ‘early 40′ wrinkles are looking good!

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14 Jo-Lynne November 10, 2009 at 9:37 am

Hm. Good question. I usually measure it when it’s solid, then melt it, then use it. I’m not sure what the “correct” way to measure it is.

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15 yoda November 10, 2009 at 12:34 pm

I have been using SweetLeaf Sweetener stevia, but finally baked with it for the first time in chocolate chip cookies! I used one packet of their SteviPlus powder (with added inulin fiber) to replace the sugar, and about 1T of their liquid vanilla creme flavored stevia in place of vanilla( which also added more sweetness), and it was great! There are a lot of recipes using stevia out there.

If you’re interested there may be a conversion chart showing amounts of stevia for a given amount of sugar, as well as yummy-looking recipes with stevia at http://www.sweetleaf.com (they recently changed their website, so you may need to look around;hopefully they are still there)

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16 Heather @ Not a DIY LIfe November 10, 2009 at 3:00 pm

Jo-Lynne, I really am enjoying your chats about all these topics. yes, I WOULD love to sit at your dining room table, have a cup of coffee w/ agave nectar as a sweetener and talk to our heart’s content.

Great comments on this post too. RE: chips. I just got a food dehydrator and I’m experimenting on making veggie chips, carrot, sweet potato, etc. I’ll let you know how they turn out. (On my to-do list for the weekend to try another batch. I’m still trying to figure out how thin to slice them!)

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17 Kim November 12, 2009 at 7:40 pm

Great sub for whole wheat flour is Kamut. It is an ancient grain and I LOVE the buttery taste it gives. It is not as strong as Hard Red Wheat. I use it in bread, muffins (along with pastry wheat), and cinnamon rolls.

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